ALU websites

[Nick Levine]

I am concerned that alu.org (Association of Lisp Users), lisp.org and international-lisp-conference.org are all offline, and have been for at least several weeks.

The first two of these didn't really serve anything of use but the ILC site contained proceedings of several past conferences and shouldn't be lost.

Does anyone know what's going on? I can't write directly to the ALU because its site is down and so there's no contact list (and I imagine emailing @alu.org is like talking to a black hole).

- nick

[Matthew Mondor]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:24:21 +0200
Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are
responding):

ninja$ host alu.org
alu.org has address 67.207.112.91
alu.org mail is handled by 20 in2-smtp.messagingengine.com.
alu.org mail is handled by 10 in1-smtp.messagingengine.com.
ninja$ host in1-smtp.messagingengine.com
in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.71
in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.73
in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.75
in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.72
in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.74
in1-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 66.111.4.70
ninja$ host in2-smtp.messagingengine.com
in2-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 185.68.180.20
in2-smtp.messagingengine.com has address 185.68.180.24
ninja$ telnet 66.111.4.71 25
Trying 66.111.4.71...
Connected to mx2.messagingengine.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mx2.messagingengine.com ESMTP mx. No UCE permitted.
quit
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed by foreign host.
ninja$ telnet 185.68.180.20 25
Trying 185.68.180.20...
Connected to smx1.messagingengine.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 smx1.messagingengine.com ESMTP mx. No UCE permitted.
quit
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed by foreign host.
ninja$

[Nick Levine]

Writing to who @alu.org?

Is anyone from the ALU listening? Does it still exist?

- nick

Post by Matthew Mondor
Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are

[Dave Cooper]

Hi Nick,

The ALU still exists, and I am still a board member, although not an
officer. Rusty is continuing to keep the offiicial Corporation documents up
to date with the state of Virginia, etc.

The CLF had offered several months ago to provide hosting services for the
ALU web properties (at reasonable out-of-pocket cost), but the ALU has yet
to follow up with a specific green light to do that or content to host.

Robert Smith, current official ALU president, had to cancel the last
several scheduled monthly ALU meetings due to a busy travel schedule (a
couple times he was on airplanes at the time of the meetings). Last week,
he had to cancel our meeting again, and also sent a note inviting someone
else to take over the role of president. He didn't officially resign, but
acknowledged the fact that his several attempts to get the ball rolling on
the next ILC have not gotten much traction. If you'd like, I can ask
Robert to forward that note to this list.

So that's what I know right now.

So far I haven't seen any responses to his email on the ALU lists (which I
think are manually maintained as CC lists right now). I'm not sure what
the next steps should be or by whom, but at least I wanted to pass on the
small amount of news which I know.

Regards,

Dave

Post by Nick Levine
Is anyone from the ALU listening? Does it still exist?
- nick

Post by Matthew Mondor
Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are

[Nick Levine]

Thanks for the update.

I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again?

- nick

Post by Dave Cooper
Hi Nick,
The ALU still exists, and I am still a board member, although not an officer. Rusty is continuing to keep the offiicial Corporation documents up to date with the state of Virginia, etc.
The CLF had offered several months ago to provide hosting services for the ALU web properties (at reasonable out-of-pocket cost), but the ALU has yet to follow up with a specific green light to do that or content to host.
Robert Smith, current official ALU president, had to cancel the last several scheduled monthly ALU meetings due to a busy travel schedule (a couple times he was on airplanes at the time of the meetings). Last week, he had to cancel our meeting again, and also sent a note inviting someone else to take over the role of president. He didn't officially resign, but acknowledged the fact that his several attempts to get the ball rolling on the next ILC have not gotten much traction. If you'd like, I can ask Robert to forward that note to this list.
So that's what I know right now.
So far I haven't seen any responses to his email on the ALU lists (which I think are manually maintained as CC lists right now). I'm not sure what the next steps should be or by whom, but at least I wanted to pass on the small amount of news which I know.
Regards,
Dave

Post by Nick Levine
Is anyone from the ALU listening? Does it still exist?
- nick

Post by Matthew Mondor
Have you already tried email? Because it may work (SMTP servers are

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[Daniel Herring]

Hi Nick,

I just included you on an email to some likely ALU website contacts.
We'll see how they respond.

Regarding the ILC content, I found backups containing a most if not all
materials for ILC 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011. I should
also have the contents for 2012 squirreled away somewhere.


Here's a reasonable archive of the 2012 site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141120174250/http://international-lisp-conference.org/2012/index.html


For ILC 2014, the conference website was hosted on a different server, and
the ALU site just had a link / redirect. I don't believe we ever got a
copy of the 2014 site on the ALU server. Fortunately, the original site
is still available.

http://ilc2014.iro.umontreal.ca/


- Daniel

Thanks for the update. 
I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again?
- nick
Hi Nick,
 
The ALU still exists, and I am still a board member, although not an officer. Rusty is continuing to keep the offiicial Corporation documents up to date with the state of Virginia, etc. 
The CLF had offered several months ago to provide hosting services for the ALU web properties (at reasonable out-of-pocket cost), but the ALU has yet to follow up with a specific green light to do that or content to host. 
Robert Smith, current official ALU president, had to cancel the last several scheduled monthly ALU meetings due to a busy travel schedule (a couple times he was on airplanes at the time of the meetings).  Last week, he had to
cancel our meeting again, and also sent a note inviting someone else to take over the role of president.  He didn't officially resign, but acknowledged the fact that his several attempts to get the ball rolling on the next ILC
have not gotten much traction.  If you'd like, I can ask Robert to forward that note to this list. 
So that's what I know right now.  
So far I haven't seen any responses to his email on the ALU lists (which I think are manually maintained as CC lists right now).   I'm not sure what the next steps should be or by whom, but at least I wanted to pass on the
small amount of news which I know. 
Regards,
 Dave
Is anyone from the ALU listening? Does it still exist?
- nick

Have you already tried email?  Because it may work (SMTP servers are

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[Nick Levine]

Post by Dave Cooper
Hi Nick,
I just included you on an email to some likely ALU website contacts. We'll see how they respond.

Thanks, and you wrote in that email: "No one ever followed up with me in regards to the data... I haven't heard anything since then".

How very ALU.

I'm not really sure what they're *for* any more, but escaping from paper bags isn't high on the list.

Post by Dave Cooper
Regarding the ILC content, I found backups containing a most if not all materials...

Thanks. Let's get them hosted somewhere.

-n

[Daniel Herring]

Hi Nick,

Post by Nick Levine

Post by Dave Cooper
I just included you on an email to some likely ALU website contacts. We'll see how they respond.

Thanks, and you wrote in that email: "No one ever followed up with me in regards to the data... I haven't heard anything since then".

Minor correction: That was my contact's response. Though I have had
similar experience.

Post by Nick Levine

Post by Dave Cooper
Regarding the ILC content, I found backups containing a most if not all materials...

Thanks. Let's get them hosted somewhere.

I will spend some time today looking for my latest copy and sprucing it up
for public release. I don't feel comfortable releasing the raw backup, as
it contains some things that were meant to stay private. This task may
take some time, as work and daily life both have their own demands.

Will keep you posted on my progress.

- Daniel

[Stelian Ionescu]

Thanks for the update. 
I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again?

The ILC and lisp.org websites are back up. ALU's isn't because it was
an old Allegroserve instance, not static files.

[Nick Levine]

Hi Stelian

http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site (only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain yet. :(

As for lisp.org with its current content: who cares?

- nick

Post by Stelian Ionescu

Post by Nick Levine
Thanks for the update.
I wanted to access ILC content. Any chance of getting that up and running again?

The ILC and lisp.org websites are back up. ALU's isn't because it was
an old Allegroserve instance, not static files.
--
Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

[Stelian Ionescu]

Post by Nick Levine
Hi Stelian
http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site
(only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get
the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain
yet. :(

On what URL do you see that ?

Post by Nick Levine
As for lisp.org with its current content: who cares?

If you propose something better, I'm sure something can be done about
it.

-- 
Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

[Nick Levine]

https://international-lisp-conference.org/2007/

- nick

On what URL do you see that?

[Stelian Ionescu]

Post by Nick Levine
https://international-lisp-conference.org/2007/

Ok. I had only checked 2011 and 2012, which are static files. It would
be great if somebody could try to load those into a current
Allegroserve and dump the pages as static html.

[Attila Lendvai]

Post by Stelian Ionescu

Post by Nick Levine
http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site
(only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get
the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain
yet. :(

On what URL do you see that ?

opening that URL above redirects me to this:

http://ilc2014.iro.umontreal.ca/

[Nick Levine]

That's precisely what I said.

- nick

Post by Daniel Herring

Post by Stelian Ionescu

Post by Nick Levine
http://international-lisp-conference.org takes you to the 2014 site
(only). If you're in the know and append a year to that URL you get
the raw aserve files for that particular outing. So not much gain
yet. :(

On what URL do you see that ?

http://ilc2014.iro.umontreal.ca/
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